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he could put a woman in the cia. that would be a huge, huge deal. and the republicans, this is the party, by the way, that just has a gender gap of 20 points in the last election, a party that has a massive gap when it comes to african-americans and latinos. if he all of a sudden puts a woman in and the old white men say no to something like that, that's really a problem for them. it's the party's problem, they have to get beyond this. >> msnbc contributor senate guru jimmy williams, great to see you, thank you, sir. >>> that's going to wrap things up for me. thank you for your time today. joining me tomorrow, house minority whip stenny hoyer, clyburn, ted strickland, and my colleague, melissa harris-perry. don't go anywhere, alex wagner is coming up. what do you have coming up? >> hello, thomas, still in d.c. with another action-packed show. we'll have the latest on the slow, unfolding drama, emphasis on slow, that is the fiscal cliff negotiations. the white house and speaker boehner trade proposals and tension. we will discuss with house democrati
he could put a woman in the cia. that would be a huge, huge deal. and the republicans, this is the party, by the way, that just has a gender gap of 20 points in the last election, a party that has a massive gap when it comes to african-americans and latinos. if he all of a sudden puts a woman in and the old white men say no to something like that, that's really a problem for them. it's the party's problem, they have to get beyond this. >> msnbc contributor senate guru jimmy williams,...
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you served in iran, going difficult shu, worked for the cia. your thoughts on whether assad would use chemical weapons against the syrian people and whether there is any way to stop it for the united states. >> first of all i don't think that the fact he mixed the chemicals is necessarily an indication he intend to use them. i think if he is cornered and he has no option left, it's possible that he will. the key is finding someone to give him asylum. so he knows there is a way out of this. ultimately if he has no place to go i think he will use chemical weapons in a desperate effort to save his regime. megyn: thrrts reports he's seeking asylum. this is unconfirmed. is this something we should be rooting for? >> absolutely. i think the best interests of erveg involved is to have him go in that direction. we cannot afford from the policy perspective to see military action result in the difficult any nution of the central government capability of syria. we have to retain the army and government. he should leave. the government should stay and that
you served in iran, going difficult shu, worked for the cia. your thoughts on whether assad would use chemical weapons against the syrian people and whether there is any way to stop it for the united states. >> first of all i don't think that the fact he mixed the chemicals is necessarily an indication he intend to use them. i think if he is cornered and he has no option left, it's possible that he will. the key is finding someone to give him asylum. so he knows there is a way out of...
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this movie, if people see it, will make you uncomfortable because you'll watch entirely believable cia officers, for once in a movie, you don't usually see that, people who look like you or me, joe or mika, and having to make these decisions and do these things, and that's why i think it's so powerful. it's not dick cheney, you know, sort of figure of universal hatred, it's somebody who looks like you or me having to deal with this. >> i like dick cheney, for the record. it is a good point. mika, the horns have been drawn on the men and women who, after september 11th, 2001, were asked to go out and save americans from another terror attack. >> i agree. >> and maybe this film begins to erase those horns and make them realize that they are americans who love their family who are patriotic, who wanted to do what men and women who signed up to go off to afghanistan and iraq wanted to do after september 11th. they have been done a grave disservice by this country that needed them after september 11th and let us hope that this film at least starts to put this situation into more perspective
this movie, if people see it, will make you uncomfortable because you'll watch entirely believable cia officers, for once in a movie, you don't usually see that, people who look like you or me, joe or mika, and having to make these decisions and do these things, and that's why i think it's so powerful. it's not dick cheney, you know, sort of figure of universal hatred, it's somebody who looks like you or me having to deal with this. >> i like dick cheney, for the record. it is a good...
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that was a decision made by the cia, the managers of the cia. i mean, certainly any agency of the u.s. government which has a big success would probably want an accurate portrayal of that success. i think that was why the filmmakers met with this particular woman. as fran points out, there is actually -- there were men involved in this. it isn't just a female agent that did everything. the film suggests that a female agent played an essential role. there's another person that goes by the name of john who has some press attention in the past who was equally important so let's be accurate about this. >> fran, i want to ask you, i want to read a quote to you that was in this "the washington post" piece from a former cia official describing the environment at the agency. this is what the quote says. "the agency is a funny place. very insular. it's like middle schoolers with clearances." i want to get your take on that how does the cia culture play into this controversy surrounding this woman now? >> no question it's a very insular place by its very
that was a decision made by the cia, the managers of the cia. i mean, certainly any agency of the u.s. government which has a big success would probably want an accurate portrayal of that success. i think that was why the filmmakers met with this particular woman. as fran points out, there is actually -- there were men involved in this. it isn't just a female agent that did everything. the film suggests that a female agent played an essential role. there's another person that goes by the name...
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you had a future republican director of the cia and the pentagon working for you, a future republican secretary of state working for you. >> steve hadley. >> and a future republican national security adviser as well as madeleine albright, another democrat, but you had as many powerful republican leaders, future leaders, are as powerful democratic leaders. >> the president should be doing every week, almost every day, you have to be meeting with some of them, having dinner with them, talking to them, chatting. >> yes. >> and also threatening occasionally. >> by the way, mika has circled all the dinner guests that you've had over the years. >> some of them worked for my dad. >> it's the same principle that works in journalism, everyone knows if you're going to garn aeroreport, it's far better to get a source face-to-face. it's far bettory get a source of the fund than a person via e-mail. >> and best of all to have a relati relationship with them. >> it's just intimacy that happens between a source and a reporter. >> this president does not like that. he's not comfortable in this person
you had a future republican director of the cia and the pentagon working for you, a future republican secretary of state working for you. >> steve hadley. >> and a future republican national security adviser as well as madeleine albright, another democrat, but you had as many powerful republican leaders, future leaders, are as powerful democratic leaders. >> the president should be doing every week, almost every day, you have to be meeting with some of them, having dinner with...
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and then there's a question of cia. the big question is whether john brennan, currently the director of homeland security want that job. it's his if he wants it. the question is, does he? otherwise director morell could get it. the president could perhaps make all of these announcements next week. >> stand by just for a moment. jill dougherty is our state correspondent. it looks potentially like john kerry could be the man that you'll be covering in the weeks and months to come, john kerry, chairman of the foreign relations committee, democratic presidential nominee back in 2004. what are you hearing? >> well, obviously now that susan rice is out of the picture, it would be very logical to turn to him. he is well known for international affairs. every type of issue he seems to have a statement ready within seconds. he's a heavyweight. he knows all of the issues. he wouldn't have the difficulty, it would appear, in the senate for being confirmed with that post as susan rice would have. and it also clears the way now for
and then there's a question of cia. the big question is whether john brennan, currently the director of homeland security want that job. it's his if he wants it. the question is, does he? otherwise director morell could get it. the president could perhaps make all of these announcements next week. >> stand by just for a moment. jill dougherty is our state correspondent. it looks potentially like john kerry could be the man that you'll be covering in the weeks and months to come, john...
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so there is a real cia agent that she plays who found the link to the courier who took them. >> with her tenacity, her courage and her dedication, you know, really drove that lead forward. and gave it a lot of traction. you know, and i think the interesting thing about the movie is it really puts you in her shoes. it puts you in that intelligence hunt and gives you a glimpse into the intelligence community and the dedication of these men and women including her. but all the men and women that are involved in something -- in an operation that is this complicated and this arduous. >> have you met her, or did mark meet her? >> well, we protect our sources. i'll leave it at that. >> you know, were you surprised that there was a woman who was so intricately involved? because at first when i heard it was a woman, i was, like, wow! and then i got a little disappointed to think, why would i be surprised that it was a woman? were you? >> i had the exact same reaction. i was surprised -- i was thrilled. >> yes, me, too. >> and then i was surprised that i was surprised. >> yes! that's exactly h
so there is a real cia agent that she plays who found the link to the courier who took them. >> with her tenacity, her courage and her dedication, you know, really drove that lead forward. and gave it a lot of traction. you know, and i think the interesting thing about the movie is it really puts you in her shoes. it puts you in that intelligence hunt and gives you a glimpse into the intelligence community and the dedication of these men and women including her. but all the men and women...
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let's talk about the cia and whether there was a flap there with the talking points. focusing on susan rice does not get us on where we need to be on fixing the problems we have so that benghazi never occurs again. >> maria cardona and ron bonjean. thank you very much. >>> if the u.s. goes over the fiscal cliff, we'll feel it even at our airports. flights could change, and quite frankly, not in a good way. in. in fact, in a recent survey, 95% of people who tried it agreed that it relieved their headache fast. visit fastreliefchallenge.com today for a special trial offer. you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast, long lasting relief, use doctor recommended gaviscon®. only gaviscon® forms a protective barrier that helps block stomach acid from splashing up- relieving the pain quickly. try fast, long lasting gaviscon®. (announcer) when subaru owners look in the mirror, relieving the pain quickly. they see more than themselves. so we celebrate our year-end with the "share the love" event. get a great deal on a new subaru and 250 dollars goes to your choice of fi
let's talk about the cia and whether there was a flap there with the talking points. focusing on susan rice does not get us on where we need to be on fixing the problems we have so that benghazi never occurs again. >> maria cardona and ron bonjean. thank you very much. >>> if the u.s. goes over the fiscal cliff, we'll feel it even at our airports. flights could change, and quite frankly, not in a good way. in. in fact, in a recent survey, 95% of people who tried it agreed that it...
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there is increasing evidence some of the shoulder-fired missiles known as manpads which the cia were trying to track and contain in libya, may have migrated to syria, bringing down a syrian fighter jet and helicopter last week. then there are reports of chemical weapons, sarin gas being loaded into canisters for possible use. the u.s. set up a task force at a base north of ammon, jordan with 150 u.s. special forces working on a plan to secure assad's chemical weapons. >> the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching very closely and the president of the united states has made very clear there will be consequences, there will be consequences if the assad regime makes a terrible mistake by using these chemical weapons on their own people. >> reporter: earlier this year the pentagon estimated it would take 75,000 ground troops to secure the tons of chemical weapons in assad's possession. that is it more than the number of u.s. troops in afghanistan right now. in the meantime, the administration's public statements appear designed to at least deter the assad regime from using
there is increasing evidence some of the shoulder-fired missiles known as manpads which the cia were trying to track and contain in libya, may have migrated to syria, bringing down a syrian fighter jet and helicopter last week. then there are reports of chemical weapons, sarin gas being loaded into canisters for possible use. the u.s. set up a task force at a base north of ammon, jordan with 150 u.s. special forces working on a plan to secure assad's chemical weapons. >> the whole world...
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what about the big guns, cia and fbi you advised in the past, are they on this? do they have the capabilities to protect tech us? >> no. not to protect us. that will come from the companies, the private sector that build this. the banks. what they can provide is something intelligence and information. they need to do a better job sharing information and intelligence and financial services industry was the first one to create the financial services information sharing analysis center. president clinton signed it into office called presidential directive 63 said let's do a better job sharing information between the government and the private sector to better defend against these threats. it is intelligence that will help you prevent this a lot. jenna: i am curious, i have to let you go, if you're cybersecurity analysts do you a do a lot of shopping online. >> i do but gone to use apps on ipad to stay off-line. i'm a mac guy through and through. jenna: you don't work for mac or employed by apple. >> no, but i prefer it because it works but absolutely because of the
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so there are some republicans who might challenge him. >> the cia director, too. so i wouldn't necessarily rule that out. >> there is. >> and what about susan rice? >> that is, of course, the big question. my sources say, the president is still very close to her. a huge susan rice fan, as someone said to me. but this source also said the longer she hangs out there the harder it is. of course, last week was not a great week for her. as you recall, she went to the hill to try to asage republican concerns and mf them came out of that lessen thenthusiast. the president is the one who makes these decisions and he's a huge fan of susan rice. >> well, we'll see what he does. >> and don't forget, in the top four cabinet posts, susan rice is a woman. and i think there's a real sense of diversity in that they'dke to see a woman in one of the top four jobs. >> there should be a woman in the top four jobs. >> secretary of state is a woman. so we'll see about that. >> thank you very much. >>> now arrested, we have details of the surprising charges and a shocking past. .4 [ wom
so there are some republicans who might challenge him. >> the cia director, too. so i wouldn't necessarily rule that out. >> there is. >> and what about susan rice? >> that is, of course, the big question. my sources say, the president is still very close to her. a huge susan rice fan, as someone said to me. but this source also said the longer she hangs out there the harder it is. of course, last week was not a great week for her. as you recall, she went to the hill to...
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phillip mudd, a former cia and fbi counterterrorism official, says there's a huge concern over who to trust with chemical weapons. >> when you've got roughly 10% of the opposition in the. >>>s u.s. government is declaring are terrorist group you're going to be concerned. in any case like this, there's a lot of risk. >> reporter: but mudd says it's still better to train the rebels on how to handle those materials than to do nothing. and leonard specter says the u.s. and its allies are likely screening the individuals who are being trained very carefully, wofrl, at least that's the hope. >> despite all that, there's still a potential for these chemical weapons getting into the wrong hands. despite what the u.s. is trying to do. >> reporter: phillip mudd says if the syrian regime loses control of these weapons, that's a huge worry. if they fall into the hands of others who are not trusted by the u.s. or its allies they could float around the border to iraq or other potentially dangerous places where they don't have control over these things. if assad loses control of these things anytime
phillip mudd, a former cia and fbi counterterrorism official, says there's a huge concern over who to trust with chemical weapons. >> when you've got roughly 10% of the opposition in the. >>>s u.s. government is declaring are terrorist group you're going to be concerned. in any case like this, there's a lot of risk. >> reporter: but mudd says it's still better to train the rebels on how to handle those materials than to do nothing. and leonard specter says the u.s. and its...
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cnn national security contributor fran townsend, a member of the external advisory committees to the cia and department of homeland security. general marks, let me start with you. what are the military options at this stage right now? realistically, what could the use, nato, the international community militarily do if there is an indication that the syrian military's about to use chemical weapons against its own people. >> wolf, that's the key point. in advance of its use what can the u.s. do? and it's clearly having a very robust, very broad intelligence collection apparatus that takes into account all means of collection, technical as well as human intelligence. there are known sites where the chemical weapons are stockpiled, where the production sites are. then there has to be an act to marry those up with the distribution or delivery means. >> a missile. >> a missile, artillery shell, put into a bomb then uploaded under the wings of an aircraft. all those are indicators of what might occur. intelligence has to be very, very robust in order to go after that. then, if it is such that
cnn national security contributor fran townsend, a member of the external advisory committees to the cia and department of homeland security. general marks, let me start with you. what are the military options at this stage right now? realistically, what could the use, nato, the international community militarily do if there is an indication that the syrian military's about to use chemical weapons against its own people. >> wolf, that's the key point. in advance of its use what can the...
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i'm obsessed with people who are the head of the cia and cannot stay away from people who apparently cannot keep a secret. >> stephanie: and [ inaudible ] made your list. >> that's right. the party of lincoln wants to meet the union. >> stephanie: you said who liking playing chess with a person who flips the board over and walks out of the room. >> yes, it's astounding and it's the same as last year before obama won a second term. >> stephanie: and i wonder if they are polling people as they are coming out of the theater after watching lincoln? yeah. senator john mccain has made the naughty list for campaigning to take down susan rice. it's amazing he gets crankier every year? >> right. but it was stunning that he would call her not very bright. i thought that was kind of the low mark for him. and the whole campaign is incredibly cynical to go on television and go john kerry is awesome. we love john kerry. all of a sudden he is the best thing that has ever happened to the phrase secretary of state. because that's what mccain wants. this whole campaign is really creepy and -- and just
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. >>> well, overseas iran saying that it has now decoded all of the data from a cia spy drone it captured back in 2011. that country's revolutionary guard has previously said that it recovered some information from the unmanned craft, but this time technicians say they have broken through all of its encryption, revealing that the drone had not carried out missions over any nuclear facilities before it went down. >>> well, north korea is extending the launch period for a controversial long-range rocket by a full week. its top scientists blame what they call a technical problem. north korea's government insists the rocket launch is part of a plan to put a satellite into orbit. however, the u.s. and our allies say the launch is really cover for testing missile technology that could be used to hit as far away as america. david piper live in bangkok, thailand, with the very latest. david? >> reporter: hi, megyn, yes. that famous phrase, houston, we've got a problem, well, the normally-secretive north korea has announced they've got a problem also with their planned missile launch over the next
. >>> well, overseas iran saying that it has now decoded all of the data from a cia spy drone it captured back in 2011. that country's revolutionary guard has previously said that it recovered some information from the unmanned craft, but this time technicians say they have broken through all of its encryption, revealing that the drone had not carried out missions over any nuclear facilities before it went down. >>> well, north korea is extending the launch period for a...
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but petraeus turned down the suggestion and took the job as head of the cia instead. and get this. the reason why he said -- this was a 90-minute conversation he had with fox news national security analyst, kathleen mcfarland who went on ailes' behest to pitch this. petraeus said at the time my wife would divorce me if i decided to run. i love my wife. we have a beautiful house with his and hers bathrooms, believe it or not. i just want to live in it. i've never spent a night in it. >> he was doing other things, i guess. >>> it's also raising an interesting debate. should the head of a news organization be actively involved in recruiting candidates for president? obviously, you know, in this day and age, we know which network leans left, which network leans right. should you be that actively involved to say i will quit to run someone's campaign? it raises an interesting debate and media circles, i think, as well. >> rogers ailes denies this, saying the strategist that went on his behalf to pitch this. that sonny was way out of line. and zero chance he would leave fox. the money was
but petraeus turned down the suggestion and took the job as head of the cia instead. and get this. the reason why he said -- this was a 90-minute conversation he had with fox news national security analyst, kathleen mcfarland who went on ailes' behest to pitch this. petraeus said at the time my wife would divorce me if i decided to run. i love my wife. we have a beautiful house with his and hers bathrooms, believe it or not. i just want to live in it. i've never spent a night in it. >> he...
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the paper and joining the war-time spy service oss, the office of strategic service which became the cia. >> you were a spy convincing the japanese to surrender? >> yeah. >> yes? >> uh-huh. yes. and then i went to china to do the same thing. >> and that's how she responded to the challenge of pearl harbor. like everyone else in america she knew this was the fight that would change her life. wyatt andrews, cbs news wood bridge virginia. >> that's the cbs evening news for tonight. for all of us at cbs news all around the world, good night. >>> i allowed allen martin. unusual protest popping up in bay area cities. voter vigils appearing outside lawmaker offices demanding a deal to avert the fiscal cliff. tonight it looks like they are going to be there for awhile. going over the fiscal cliff we will have a ripple effect starting with the state's education budget. phil matier on the threat facing students staid wide. >> if washington doesn't come up with a deal it is not just the federal government that will be going over the fiscal cliff. we were told today that without a deal the states co
the paper and joining the war-time spy service oss, the office of strategic service which became the cia. >> you were a spy convincing the japanese to surrender? >> yeah. >> yes? >> uh-huh. yes. and then i went to china to do the same thing. >> and that's how she responded to the challenge of pearl harbor. like everyone else in america she knew this was the fight that would change her life. wyatt andrews, cbs news wood bridge virginia. >> that's the cbs...